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Wow. Talking about getting screwed over. Twice in a week.
I have been blogging ferociously for the past couple of days regarding the Wax In The City scandal in Singapore, a waxing company that has folded and cheated more than 3000 members of their money, including myself. In the midst of researching data online, and finding evidence of their evil tactics to cheat people’s money… I found that Wax In The City’s web domain is owned by Naughty By Nature, another company that has been under investigation for scamming people’s money.
I posted it on various forums, Facebook site, and my blog this picture:
To my horror, I found that The New Paper has published this:
Meanwhile, The New Paper did a domain search to find out who registered the website for Wax in the City. It was a Singapore-based company called BNYN International
HUH WHAT? SERIOUSLY? The New Paper did a domain search? Hello?! Your journalist Mr. Lim Weili called me at least 3 times on my mobile phone to interview me and got this information from me!
He called me yesterday Thursday, 1/4/2010 at 5.35pm from the phone number 63195***, for the last time and the conversation went:
TNP Journalist: What made you go search for their web domain name?
deadpris: I was digging up info of Wax In The City and I’m quite familiar with web related things.
TNP Journalist: So how did you find out the domain name is registered by NBYN?
deadpris: I found it online from the website www.dnsstuff.com (spelt letter by letter out for him some more)
TNP Journalist: Oh, so you can find the owner of any website all over the world?
deadpris: Yeah. But there are services that you can pay to hide the owner’s information.
If I recall correctly, this is our 3rd and last conversation. My boyfriend was wondering why journalist ask such weird questions, shouldn’t they know about such things, like online detective work? In fact, I told Mr Lim Weili that he can feel free to quote from my blog, and I gave him my blog address ON WEDNESDAY 31/3/2010. He told me he saw my username and blog links at various forums pertaining to the Wax In The City topic as well. I DID NOT told him that he could conveniently steal my information without giving me credit and claiming it as TNP’s search.
Yeah well, I’m not making a big fuss because I want justice. No, I don’t wish to get you into trouble either Mr Lim Weili. I am very happy that The News Paper did such an intensive coverage on the Wax In The City scandal in Singapore but I feel that traditional media people have been taking us bloggers for “laughs”.
I try my best to report anything in my blog with integrity, I try my best to give credit back to whom ever I got the information from, be it newspaper or fellow bloggers, and I don’t believe that the traditional media should hold a standard less than “new media” bloggers. Stop treating us like our words don’t matter!
Printed version:
MY FINDINGS WAS POSTED ON MY BLOG ON THE NIGHT OF 30/3/2010 Tuesday
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Hi deadpris,
I have decided to explain matters out of goodwill, because I believe this is a misunderstanding.
I admit first of all that I did require your help to get the information, and I thank you for the help that you gave. If I offended you by not acknowledging you in the report here, I apologise.
However, I hope that you understand that whatever information you give, we have to do the search ourselves, which I did. I have to do that because if we get sued by NbyN or Wax in the City for having provided incorrect or backdated information, saying I got this information from someone’s blog isn’t going to protect us.
It is something we have to do as a big company that publishes reports that can be very damaging to other people’s companies, and we do this as information on the web seldom stays on the same web address for long. This is done in case your blog is closed suddenly or relocated and we cannot find the web address to substantiate the claim we made.
Secondly, the amount of space we have in a print medium is limited. As I did do the search myself to ensure it was true, I can’t possibly dedicate another paragraph of text to detailing how you taught me to do it. And furthermore, it is also not the point of the article. Even if I had put it in, the editors would have taken it out.
Thirdly, I hope that you understand that we are all working with the same intention of helping the victims. It is really not very nice for me to have done so much work on behalf of all you victims and see myself get flamed online.
I hope this clarifies things. I have left my contact to prove that I did indeed reply this post.
Best regards,
Lim Wei Li (Mr)
The New Paper
Singapore Press Holdings
Level 6, Annexe Block, 1000 Toa Payoh North
Singapore 318994
DID: 6319-5391
FAX: 6319-8266
Comment by Lim Wei Li — April 2, 2010 @ 9:08 pm
hmm.. maybe they think your words on the blog is not significant that’s why they didn’t cite? but yeah, i dont like the idea that they “plagiarize” from bloggers.. =/
Comment by kenwooi — April 2, 2010 @ 9:14 pm
Hi Mr Lim,
as I mentioned in my blog, it is not my intention to flame you online since TNP did a great job in reporting the matter. However, the trend of reporters not citing from bloggers and giving credits AND misquoting people has long been an issue in the blogosphere. Another reporter from Straits Times also called me a few times to check information with me, also, no mention of any sources. I have received in total more than 6 phone calls from the “media” seeking my opinion and help in the matter, when I was driving (made me miss a turn) up until I was overseas I was still answering reporters’ calls to help with their report.
I did the job of searching high and low for all these information, and conveniently it got credited to a news paper. Just because blogs might not be credible, or blogs might close down, or you don’t have enough space in the article, does not mean you should remove mentions of the source. I understand that Mr Lim here is also trying to do his job, and I am not pissed at him directly, but at the general attitude that the print media have of online media.
Whatever happened to the association of bloggers in Singapore anyway?
Mr Lim had the courtesy to give me a call and explain to me why there were no mention of the sources of his information, and I acknowledge that his reasons were, well, reasonable. However, I do like to point out what plagerism is.
Comment by Priss — April 2, 2010 @ 11:06 pm
The fact is he (and thus TNP) did do the search on their own (based on the information your provided), even though that may only be done for the purpose of verifying your information.
What he didn’t do was to report how he obtained the information which thus allowed him to do that.
Now, the information on dns or whatever isn’t definitive. If you look at the dns info for my blog you might see that it probably goes to an address in Burlington Square (or if someone has updated it, it would have gone to somewhere in Yio Chu Kang now). And I didn’t even pay to mask or change it – the fact being that it was reflecting the address of my friend’s company hosting the blog.
So, to look on the bright side – it would be nice if your information is correct and then they report that you discovered it. What happened is, if this information is wrong, then at least now SPH will take the brunt since you aren’t mentioned.
Comment by xizor2000 — April 3, 2010 @ 12:03 am
This made my day. I can’t seem to find the right words to use to describe the amusement I’m feeling.
Comment by Princessa — April 3, 2010 @ 1:30 am
The correct way to report this was to say that you are the person who informed them about the info and they verified it.
But then, that’s TNP.
Comment by DK — April 3, 2010 @ 10:29 am
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“Thirdly, I hope that you understand that we are all working with the same intention of helping the victims. It is really not very nice for me to have done so much work on behalf of all you victims and see myself get flamed online.”
Oh, yeah. Because that’s what The New Paper is about. ALTRUISM AND JUSTICE.
(And seedy sensationalistic trash, but really, helping people.)
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The correct way to report this was to say that you are the person who informed them about the info and they verified it.
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