on Apr 15th, 2008The proof you asked for: Shadowfox spews lies.
I guess many of you took my last post as a joke. Is it really funny?
Shadowfox is now posting my picture and calling me a dyke. I’m not homosexual NOR bisexual, but it doesn’t even matter whether I am. Why should it? I don’t have to be a homosexual to point out that ShadowFox is inciting hate in his blog, calling for people to stop befriending gay people, using derogatory terms to insult them, and producing nonsensical and unproven theories on how being gay is the end of the world.
People have been asking me for proof, that homosexuality is not a mental disease and that it is genetic. Here’s my reply.
I know that there aren’t any concrete proof for genetic influence in homosexuality, but scientist boils sexuality down to either by genetics or by environment. No where does it say that these people made a conscious choice to deviate from social norm and it is very wrong of you to liken “choosing to be gay” and taking up smoking. The debate is between whether there is a “gay gene” and environmental factors that might have caused homosexuality.
Many studies have shown that genetics have a part to play in homosexuality, just like how if you have a diabetic relative, you are more likely to become diabetic yourself as compared to others without a diabetic relative.
And even if it isn’t genetics, environmental factors such as bad upbringing, childhood problems, religious fanatic families, might potentially cause imbalanced personalities and homosexuality? No one knows for sure.
Sexuality is only a choice when you are bisexual. Then you can chose to either be with a man or with a woman, your choice. If you are homosexual, then you don’t have a choice at all! Just like if you’re a heterosexual.
Next, homosexuality isn’t a mental disease.
In general, research has failed to provide a basis for any of these concerns (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). First, homosexuality is not a psychological disorder (Conger, 1975). Although exposure to prejudice and discrimination based on sexual orientation may cause acute distress (Mays & Cochran, 2001; Meyer, 2003), there is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning.
Taken from American Psychological Association (APA)
Go on to read about how gay couples are NOT worse off parents that straight couples.
Also, sicarii, if you think my head’s not screwed properly because I “buy the lies of gay lobbyists”, I’m holding myself back not to stereotype all Christians as gay bashers since I know that they aren’t.
I guess it doesn’t matter to the religious bloggers reading my post since they don’t believe in sciences (such as Psychology) and chose to believe the words of a raving anti-gay moron.
Lastly, I CAN take his “alternative view”, infact it isn’t really an alternative view since many people out there are homophobic. I’m probably the one with an “alternative view” of homosexuality (along with American Psychological Association). I’ve said in my previous post, if you even read it, that I’m fine with homophobics. Someone mentioned that homophobia is a choice, and it’s really funny 
What I’m against are gay-bashers, hate inciters, community polluters.
I quote from sicarii
What I’d agree with you, Deadpris, though, is that homosexuals are people too and deserve the same level of respect that is accorded everyone.
And “everyone” includes Shadowfox who should be free to express his views on homosexuality, though I hope he will do it in a more polite manner in future. At least someone has their head screwed on right and isn’t buying into the lies spun by the gay lobby.
I really don’t think you understand the meaning of hypocrisy. I respect that your religion is against homosexuality, but saying that I don’t have my head screwed on right, supporting the claims of Shadowfox’s blatant lies, then telling me homosexuals deserve the same level of respect? Yes, someone doesn’t have their head screwed on right and it sure ain’t me.
I’m not intolerating intolerance, essentially, I am intolerance against HATE.
Come, make another joke out of me.
I HATE people that incite hate.
Funny?
Priss,
I am not going to start a war with you — it’s pointless. However, that said, scientific results can sometimes be skewed by invisible hands that have an agenda.
Moreover, what you don’t agree with does not equate them to being lies when you can’t claim to have the truth.
In my opinion, this gay issue isn’t clear. There is no scientific discovery that can for sure say whether homosexuals are born that way or not. But it is wrong to incite hate against anyone, and for that I am supporting you. If he posted your photo, then ShadowFox is an asshole.
Omg ignorantsoup, you’re the second person that isn’t confused in the name calling and get what I’m trying to say!!!!! *HUGZ*
Yes, I don’t really give a damn if homosexuals are born, chosen, learnt etc. I was trying to prove that Shadowfox is just bullshitting.
I targeted him because he’s a bigot and he’s inciting hate to a particular group of people. I will stand up for any other groups that are being targeted at, in the same fashion as in this instance.
There ARE other blogs out there, that are in the debate of homosexuality, but they are trying to bring a point across and not inciting discrimination and hate towards homosexuals.
WHY WON’T PEOPLE SEE THE DAMN DIFFERENCE!
I bet I sound like a raving lunatic now.
Thank you so much for standing up to this asshole when no other Malaysian blogger dared to do so. Here’s my applause to you.
It’s just an opinion.
How is the opinion of anti-gay so different from saying “this restaurant sucks” or “this poll sucks”?
LOL!
I guess the difference between creating a blog that talks about how fucked up gays are and a blog that talks about how fucked up Malays are – is that the latter ends you in jail (in Singapore).
I don’t think that gay-bashing is only an opinion. Thank goodness situation isn’t as bad as in America yet, where gay-bashers literally go around bashing gays. But spreading his ideas of gay-bashing may influence others. Shadowfox claims that he’s only joking when he makes those remarks, but it’s not a joke when a group is targeted and labeled.
If you feel that you can allow such hate inciters in your domain and find proposition to ban him funny, it’s your call.
Haha is Uzyn here on official business or here as a fellow blogger?haha..
Yes Priss I understand your stance, but perhaps other’s are just unhappy with needing to ban him. Haha. Anyway its Uzyn’s call. Perhaps we should trust fellow members of Ping.sg to be more mature. If things start to get out of hand, then let’s do some gay-bashers-bashing. Haha..
Uzyn, that is because he is inciting hate against a specific group. There is a difference between disliking a restaurant and inciting bigotry.
Sicarii,
Why don’t you just come right out and say what kind of evidence would convince you that homosexuality is not a mental illness? Or perhaps there is none that will and telling them to you is as you say, pointless. Perhaps no matter how much evidences run contrary to your belief, you’ll simply disregard them by asserting that they were manipulated by invisible hands that have an agenda.
As mentioned above, findings about whether homosexuality is an inherited trait remains inconclusive. If you will, that is the truth we have for now. Inconclusive. For Shadowfox to, as if with lots of support, assert otherwise, would be dishonest, if not lying.
Since there is no truth, thus no one can lay claim to any truth. Thus ShadowFox is lying. If gays are a race, he would have been charged with the sedition act..
The theory that homosexuality is influenced by a “gay-gene” has thus far been an a flimsy and inconclusive one. Hence its just a theory.
I am more inclined to believe that homosexuals are influenced by environment, and perhaps “traumatic” events. IMO, A varying degree of “freedom” to choose to be influenced applies.
While I find “gay-bashing” distasteful, I also understand that people do tend to overreact to things they don’t consider normal. In a way, its unavoidable since homosexuality not only violates social norms, but defies nature as well. Most religious views frown upon homosexuality as well.
Unfortunately, and perhaps rightly so, known homosexuals are prevented from being hired into sensitive positions, such as teaching. This further reinforces that the popular belief is that homosexuals become what they are, due to influence rather than genetic make-up.
Yes, “gay-bashing” is wrong. But unfortunately, there are penalties for being against the social norm. It is unavoidable, until society chooses to accept & condone homosexuality. However, do not expect that to happen in Singapore as it is a rather conservative society.